Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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stevelau1911 wrote:Anyone think I should re-cover my greenhouse for tonight?

It is supposed to be a record low of 18F and even though that may not be a threat for the foliage on anything, it may damage a lot of the new shoot buds which is pretty much the lifeline of these bamboos.

Yes and be prepared to react to poor unseasonal weather for the next 3 days. We are forecasted for 29º F and have freeze warnings as well for tomorrow morning. I am not as worried as you, given how marginal a freeze that will be.
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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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Only 2 plants were damaged here this winter. My sinobambusa tootsik 'albostriata' in a 25 gallon pot was left outdoors overwinter. All the youngest culms were topkilled, older culms had mild to modrate leaf burn. It's leaf buds are starting to swell now.

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The other is a tissue cultured "Fargesia Denudata" made by Boo-shoot gardens. 99% leaf death, most culms look dead, some culms look like they might branch/leaf back out on the lower nodes. I'll probably dig this one up and give it's spot to something more worthy.

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On a positive note the late season shoots on borinda angustissima, macclureana, and boliana all overwintered unscathed and are branching and leafing out all the way to the tops!

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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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We did get about an inch of snow, and it is down to 27F. It only takes about 5 minutes to drape the greenhouse cover back over and luckily it wasn't windy today. In the past few years, there has been enough wind to literally move me off my feet when I stand facing the wind, especially this year where 70+mph is no longer uncommon.

The bicolor has some leaf buds elongated to 1cm already so I really doubt they are meant to handle temperatures dropping into the teens.
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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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JWH - that is crazy that the F denudata fared worse than the others, that one may need the trash heap, where would it overwinter z8b?
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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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JWH, that Fargesia denudata looks just like my leaf-free Borinda. I thought they were a bit more hardy than that...
My F. denudata 'Lancaster 1' kept all the leaves, but they did became dark purple and kind of unattractive. Voles made it suffer (not the cold) so I'm happy to see that one lonely shoot this year.
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It looks like the leaf buds were fine, and it never got nearly as cold as it was forecasted since it never dropped below 25F last night. Here are some pictures of the bicolor leaf buds which are completely intact since they haven't been blackened at all. Surprisingly, there wasn't even frost in the morning. It looks like another deep freeze is unlikely so the cover goes off again. Some of the new leaves on vivax aureocaulus were burned a bit, but that species just tends to leaf out way too early for it's own good.

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Some branches even have new leaves unfolding perhaps in response to the warmup last week.
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One thing that doesn't look like a very good sign is that some of the leaves are clearly turning yellow, and some have even started dropping which is a sign that starch is moving out of the leaves into the rhizomes or production of leaf buds. This is way too early in the year for shoots, but I have spotted a growing rhizome so it may just indicate the growth of rhizomes in response to the heat. The purpose of those pots is an attempt to cause certain rhizomes to put out shoots in certain spots away from each other. I don't know if it will work, but it's worth a shot.
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Here's an update with better lighting. How much energy does it actually take to generate tons of leaves?

I would expect it to be well less than it would to put out an entire culm, and then leaf all of those buds out of a similar size. I think the leaves and small branches produced may account for as much as 20% of the energy requirement of the production of a culm, and if the bamboo runs out of energy, wasting too much on the production of culm mass, the leafing is usually reduced since the production of the leaves for that year almost always needs to come from stored energy of the previous year. This means that a giant shoot too early on may not be all that beneficial since bigger culms do not necessarily always have more leaves.

This year, I am seeing more leaf buds than ever on bicolor, but a lot of other bamboos have their branches fried off, but have their culm intact so it will be interesting if the absence of energy going towards leaf buds would be a plus for the shoots. Perhaps the photosynthesis gained from leaves in the spring cancels that out and more.

Here is some more elongation.
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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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You can roughly determine energy by weighting dried leaf mass and culm when it reaches full height and leafs out. It's just an estimate.
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Another way to determine the energy is to look at how many leaves there throughout the entire season, the amount of rhizome growth along with how heavy the culms are. You can't really weight them with a scale, but by shaking them, you can almost always tell that a culm loaded with starches will be much heavier than a new culm that still has nothing. This goes with rhizomes too. The rhizomes that feel super heavy for their size tend to yield better results for me. You can basically have an 8 inch section that out-performs a 3ft section if it happens to be that well charged.

One thing that may set back the energy potential is having a plant stuck in an under-sized pot for a while which will likely show in the amount of foliage. Here's an example.
http://lesbambous.fr/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2&start=40
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Those 4 shoots from 2013 just never got as leafed out as they would have if the division was in the ground the entire time simply due to the lack of water and nutrients or else there would have been more than enough energy to produce 2-3 non-upsized shoots. Being in the ground should pretty much guarantee this particular bamboo to get way more leafy than it is, and be supercharged for 2015 as long as it doesn't get too much winter damage.

I am expecting mine to give a similar performance as last year. I just hope the squirrels don't notice them that soon.
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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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In overcrowded pot, I never noticed any significant decrease in leaf number, there are, on the other hand, significantly smaller shoots in root bound container, that also tend to become dwarfed. Aurea for example could almost resemble buddha's belly with it's compressed internodes practically up to the top. It was full of leaves last year despite problems with watering, each branch had 3 to 5 leaves, just like plant growing in the wild.
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needmore wrote:JWH - that is crazy that the F denudata fared worse than the others, that one may need the trash heap, where would it overwinter z8b?
Well it didn't go to the trash heap....but I did dig it up this afternoon and give it's spot to a 10gal pot of Boliana. It's been downgraded into the pot boliana was in for further observation. :P

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"F.Denudata" banished back into a 10gal. pot.
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It is branching at some of the lower nodes.
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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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JWH - This is absolutely unbelievable that denudata would get damaged before some of other tender ones. Do you think the lab had a mix-up and it might be a tender Borinda or Fargesia?

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johnw wrote:JWH - This is absolutely unbelievable that denudata would get damaged before some of other tender ones. Do you think the lab had a mix-up and it might be a tender Borinda or Fargesia?

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Yeah from what I gather it was a lab mix-up with something else less hardy, thats what Bill (Bambooweb) told me a few months back. I have no idea what species it actually is though. It was a very pretty plant while alive, and it did survive the mild winter of 2012/2013 where our lowest temp was 25f.

This winter had 2 nights at 11f and around 9 at 15-22f. Damage was starting to show after 2 nights at 16f and 15f and looked terrible after one night at 11f.
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Re: Cold damage winter 2013/2014

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JWH - Might it be possible to get a good close-up of the culms, new shoots and the lowestmost nodes?

I sent off pix to a friend in Europe to see if he can identify it. I also enclosed the Booshoot catalogue for possibilities.

How did B. yulongshanenis fare this winter? Anyone?

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johnw wrote:JWH - Might it be possible to get a good close-up of the culms, new shoots and the lowestmost nodes?

I sent off pix to a friend in Europe to see if he can identify it. I also enclosed the Booshoot catalogue for possibilities.


That'd be great! I can get pics of the culms, branch details, and lowest nodes tomorrow. I'll also get shoot pics if or when it shoots.
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