BAMBOOWEB.INFO
It is currently Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:32 pm

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:08 am
Posts: 354
Location: Dovercourt ,Harwich,U.K.
I bought this Phyllostachys edulis a few years back as edulis bicolour but I was convinced it was standard green edulis but now I am getting culms coming up 10x the size of the plant with yellow culms what’s your thoughts please


Attachments:
4C43724D-6917-44D1-AE7A-2297D1F04BA7.jpeg
4C43724D-6917-44D1-AE7A-2297D1F04BA7.jpeg [ 302.76 KiB | Viewed 690 times ]
B790DDFC-EC8F-4315-95C1-C022B31684F7.jpeg
B790DDFC-EC8F-4315-95C1-C022B31684F7.jpeg [ 360.17 KiB | Viewed 690 times ]
636215EF-6582-4A8E-877F-607240B44AB8.jpeg
636215EF-6582-4A8E-877F-607240B44AB8.jpeg [ 460.33 KiB | Viewed 690 times ]
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 7:28 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 10:09 am
Posts: 242
Location: Austria
I'm scratching my head with this one as none of the tiny culms have any yellow coloration or hints of stripes as far as I can tell.

Edulis is notoriously difficult to propagate - maybe this division fell back to a juvenile-like state?

I am guessing that the new, yellow culms do not have a green sulcus?
The Bamboos of the World lists a " Phyllostachys edulis 'Lutea' " syn? 'Aurea' with yellow culms - that would be great luck if it is indeed one of those.

I could also imagine someone grew a seedling that had this yellow culm coloration (a rare but not entirely implausible event, edulis 'Colombo' is a seedling http://www.bambus-lexikon.de/phyllostac ... lombo.html and so is Ned's 'Gold Stripe') and simply called it bicolor.

Thanks for sharing and please keep us updated how the plant evolves ;)

Greetings from Austria

[edit]
The last explanation I may have is that this is not bicolor but rather nabeshimana - that form does also produce green culms with only a few yellow stripes here and there and culms that look like bicolor (which would explain the confusion)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:08 am
Posts: 354
Location: Dovercourt ,Harwich,U.K.
Nicholas wrote:



[edit]
The last explanation I may have is that this is not bicolor but rather nabeshimana - that form does also produce green culms with only a few yellow stripes here and there and culms that look like bicolor (which would explain the confusion)

Thank you very much Nicholas, to throw a spanner in the works my friend thinks Phyllostachys edulis holochrysa,what’s your thoughts on that beeing a possibility


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:01 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 10:09 am
Posts: 242
Location: Austria
Deane,

from bamboos of the world it appears that pubescens f. holochrysa is synonymous to the lutea.
I suppose it will show its true colors soon enough given the upsize.

Maybe the person that sold you the plant can give you more information on its origins or maybe some pictures of the parent.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:08 am
Posts: 354
Location: Dovercourt ,Harwich,U.K.
Ar I see, it would be exciting if it was,thanks Nicholas for your help, unfortunately I can’t trace the seller ,the bamboo was from a collector, I will post pics as it grows


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 4:56 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:48 pm
Posts: 230
Location: Comox,BC
Hi

It could be a sport off your bicolor. This does happen. My friend has a moso doing the same thing this year with multiple variety in the grove.

I grow gold stripe and I also am blessed to grow tao kiang aka nabeshimana. The nabeshimana is a named seedling with amazing stripes. No other Bamboo compares IMO. Gold stripe is kind of boring. It does show lots of different faded stripes though.

I am really hoping it’s a gold form of moso. There are a few out there that are gold. The “real” holochrysa is amazing amazing bright yellow gold. It’s untouched in beauty.

Moso’s are very hard to propagate. It will be a difficult choice to seperate it and see if your bright shoot will be stable.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:08 am
Posts: 354
Location: Dovercourt ,Harwich,U.K.
Ok guys I have trimmed the Moso and taken some more pictures it seems to be very variegated thoughts please


Attachments:
15479BBF-2735-47FF-839D-B04A058D7265.jpeg
15479BBF-2735-47FF-839D-B04A058D7265.jpeg [ 374.79 KiB | Viewed 469 times ]
9475F82B-9D25-471E-8398-DA375DC7D9A5.jpeg
9475F82B-9D25-471E-8398-DA375DC7D9A5.jpeg [ 300.18 KiB | Viewed 469 times ]
9AADDD0A-930F-4F7E-A120-2CD1499837C1.jpeg
9AADDD0A-930F-4F7E-A120-2CD1499837C1.jpeg [ 337.34 KiB | Viewed 469 times ]
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:08 am
Posts: 354
Location: Dovercourt ,Harwich,U.K.
Pics


Attachments:
47CB6CCE-C901-478F-A562-A36EEE90A02C.jpeg
47CB6CCE-C901-478F-A562-A36EEE90A02C.jpeg [ 488.87 KiB | Viewed 468 times ]
916C914E-2E65-48A5-A3A1-6E7B7D6A7B4C.jpeg
916C914E-2E65-48A5-A3A1-6E7B7D6A7B4C.jpeg [ 376.85 KiB | Viewed 468 times ]
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 5:26 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 10:09 am
Posts: 242
Location: Austria
I'll just cite this from bamboos of the world:

Quote:
Phyllostachys edulis ' Lutea'
9 Taxonomic and nomenclatural references:
Phyllostachys pubescens 'Aurea'; Stover, Bamb.
Book, 1983: 54, "P. p. Aurea", invalid
Phyllostachys heterocycla f. holochrysa Muroi & K.
Kasahara in J. Himeji Gakuin Wom. Coll. no. 1,
1974: 4, invalid (without type), Jap. name: Ôgon-môsô
Phyllostachys pubescens f. holochrysa (MuroJ & K.
Kasahara) Wen in J. Bamb. Res. 10 (1), 1991 :
23; Wen, Col. III. Bamb. China, 1993:188
Phyllostachys heterocycla 'Holochrysa'; Muroi & K.
Kasahara; cf. H. Okamura & u Tanaka, Hort.
Bamb. Sp. Jap., 1986: 19, as syn.
Phyllostachys edulis f. holochrysa (MuroJ & K. Ka-
sahara) Ohrnberger in Bambus-Brief no. 2, 1990:
18, invalid (basionym not validly published)
Phyllostachys pubescens f. lutea Wen in Bull. Bot.
Res. 2 (1), 1982: 76; type: Wen TaihuJ 64412
(ZJFI)
Phyllostachys edulis f. lutea (Wen) Ohrnberger in
Bambus-Brief no. 2, 1990:18
Phyllostachys edulis 'Lutea'; Ohrnberger, Bamb.
World Phyllostachys ed. 3, 1 9 9 6 : 6 6
9 Selected references: H. Okamura & Y. Tanaka,
Hort. Bamb. Sp. Jap., 1986:19
9 Common names: Ôgon-môsô (Japanese); Huangpi-
maozhu (Chinese), meaning yellow skin hairy bam-
boo; Gelber Moso-Bambus (German); Golden Moso
Bamboo.
9 Distinctive characters: Culms: internodes (with
sulcus) yellow; culm sheaths yellowish. Foliage
leaves: blades occasionally with a few white stripes.
9 Horticulture: JAPAN: in cultivation in Fukuoka (Pre-
fecture?, on Kyushu) and Kyoto (Honshu). CHINA:
in cultivation in Zhejiang (Anji Bamboo Garden).


Deane, I think it will still take a bit of time to get a definitive answer as the plant kind of is showing juvenile characteristics and needs some upsizing/maturing

Van-isle-bamboo wrote:
I grow gold stripe and I also am blessed to grow tao kiang aka nabeshimana. The nabeshimana is a named seedling with amazing stripes. No other Bamboo compares IMO. Gold stripe is kind of boring. It does show lots of different faded stripes though.


According to bamboos of the world tao kiang and nabeshimana are not the same cultivars.
Given that striped mutations do apparently occur here and there (i.e. goldstripe) I wouldn't be surprised that this is the case, however then you'd have to add the factor that nurseries and collectors may have used the names interchangeably. I would avoid calling nabeshimana a named seedling although it probably originated as such, since the cultivar is quite old (Bamboos of the world has this to say on nabeshimana:
Quote:
Distribution: JAPAN: in cultivation, rare; originally found in Yamegun, Fukuoka Prefecture, in 1934 (H.Okamura & al., II1. Hort. Bamb. Sp. Jap., 1991: 344).
)

All the best,

Nicholas


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:14 pm
Posts: 4604
Location: Esparto, CA
Bamboo Society Membership: ABS - America
Agree with Nicholas, several years ago I had a few Moso seedlings in the ground, some showed heavy variegation each spring but all faded to solid green during the year. None ever matured at a satisfactory rate so I killed them all off but each spring it was variegated new leaves fading to green.

_________________
Brad Salmon, zone 9 Esparto, CA
www.needmorebamboo.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:38 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:48 pm
Posts: 230
Location: Comox,BC
Nicholas,

Japan names their’s nabeshimana and China uses tao kiang ( synonyms ) . I believe they are the same when discussed. Nabeshimana is said to be green with yellow stripes and the opposite for tao kiang hah. It’s kind of like asking if a zebra is black or white stripes I guess. Both show characteristics of more green and or more yellow on individual culms around the groves.

I’m growing the true nabeshimana. It’s not it a seedling that looks similar and was named that way. I see a guy in Seattle claims he has nabeshima but the culms are nothing like the true form. It’s proably a seedling mutation.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group