it's look like Fargesia but running ?????

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it's look like Fargesia but running ?????

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if some one have idea of my new bamboo?
on the photo:nearly 3 or 4 years old....

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This bamboo does not really remind me of any that I grow, which narrows the list of what it could be quite bit...I am unable to grow any of the Yushania genus so you might look at those, they are running/clumpers as I recall and the narrow leaves look correct for that genus as well. Closest I have might be Pl. chino or A. funghomii but I don't think it is either, A gigantea I think it is not either.
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Would you rule out Semiarundinaria fastuosa viridis in inmature form? Any more recent pictures?
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You make a good point, I don't grow it anymore either as mine never got taller than these photos but spread madly, the only thing that seems to miss is the leaf shape & size but that may just be a 'local' thing and not enough to discount. Would it not also have some persistent culm leaves?
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Not sure what you mean by culm leaves, The sheaths stay on new shoots for a few months and look like the above photo. Having trouble posting pictures, used to know how.
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well,
excuse me if my english is not very good.It's not very easy to me to explain...
I don't think it's a Semiarundinaria,a fastuosa or any other semiarundinaria.
I don't think Semiarundinaria have got "oral setae"(mouth bristles) on theire sheath.
I have got several Semiarundinaria,eatch time no oral setea...
And theire leaves are very biger.
In first,I thought for a Yushania.
But,i haven't got any yushania (except a little Y. chungii'yolong').and I never saw any Yushania too,so I can't compare...
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You may be right about shoot description. I don't recall weather they have the oral setae or not. The leaf clusters remind me of the Semi aundinarias, but are similar to other types as well.

My S-A fastuosa v is making 12- 16 ft with a diameter 3/4 inch on biggest culms. It took a couple years longer to get moving than a typical Phylosachys under similar growing conditions. But now the grove that is planted in in mostly sun is turning into a runner.
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dependable wrote:Would you rule out Semiarundinaria fastuosa viridis in inmature form? Any more recent pictures?
I would, the branch pattern doesn't match, both angle and number.

A young plant would also be up-sizing pretty quick, they'd be the odd taller and bigger culms amongst the younger smaller stuff.

If you look closely the branches are changing angle as they extend on each node- a characteristic of both Fargesia and Yushania , Semiarundinaria are much straighter.

If the plant suffers from any winter damage with lows at -8 or so then my bet would be Yushania anceps if not then the very similar but much hardier Y. maculata would be my scond guess :lol:
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Here are some pictures of my Semi A F viridis. Not saying Markj and isa35 are mistaken, esp about shoot details. and I have no experience with yushania.
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Mark - I know zero about Yushanias but if this one is hardy below -8c could it be Y. chungii (Y. brevipaniculata)? I guess I am really asking about the differences between these two species (maculata & chungii) as well as their respective hardiness. It would be exciting to think dependable has a Yushania thriving, that would be another record.

dependable - Have you tried any Bashanias?
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thanks dependable for your pictures.

just a little thing(my enghish is not very good :oops: )when you mean "Semi A F viridis"you mean "Semiarundinaria fastuosa 'viridis'?

Here,i have got 3 Semiarundinaria:fastuosa,makinoi and yashadake 'Kimmei'
they grow very very fast here:Here weather is never hot and never cold too...
semiarundinaria fastuosa 4 years old.

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differents between S.yashadake 'Kimmei' and my "unknow" bamboo(on the left),one year old each, in pot...

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I am not sure,but I think there is no Semiarundinaria witch has got any oral setae .
and here,my bamboo has got oral setae ..

So I don't think it's a Semiarundinaria,but....

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Yes that's Semiarundinaria fastuosa viridis. Pretty sure that is what I have. It seems pretty hardy. The tan culm sheaths hang on for a while after sprouting. Looks like your picture by the green shed, but mine has not achieved that height yet. Have Semiarundinaria yashadake kimmei here as well, it grows even faster than the fastuosa.

Have never tried bashanias.
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