Difference?: B. mutabilis vs B. textilis 'Kanapaha'

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Difference?: B. mutabilis vs B. textilis 'Kanapaha'

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I'm looking for someone to tell me the distinctive difference between Bambusa mutabilis and Bambusa textilis 'Kanapaha'. The distinctive different that makes these 2 have different names.


Bambusa textilis 'Kanapaha'
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RE: Difference?: B. mutabilis vs B. textilis 'Kanapaha'

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Roy, I am guessing. Maybe the overall size of the footprint when mature?
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Growing conditions, growing conditions, growing conditions... oh yeah, and viagra water.

I think we should all get together and go on the ultimate boonut tour... we start in Florida with pics and details of everyone we can find. We don't stop until we get to Bill's place. Before its over, maybe we will better understand what's what.

That and a couple cases of boo beer, and I'll bet we could come up with some new IDs.
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Why don't you send me a little division of each and I will plant them side by side and see how they grow here.

I already have one of your Textilis. Kinder picked one up when he went to Florida a few years ago.
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Bamboo Conne'isseur wrote:Roy, I am guessing. Maybe the overall size of the footprint when mature?
I've been growing B. mutabilis for a good number of years now and only within the last year started growing B. tex. Kanapaha. I went to a friends house last weekend and he has a 5 or 6 year old clump of B. tex. Kanapaha and I couldn't see any difference in the clumping habit of it and B. mutabilis.
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Roy wrote: I've been growing B. mutabilis for a good number of years now and only within the last year started growing B. tex. Kanapaha. I went to a friends house last weekend and he has a 5 or 6 year old clump of B. tex. Kanapaha and I couldn't see any difference in the clumping habit of it and B. mutabilis.
Maybe its not shown until it quite old? Roy, have you ever seen the mutabilis's footprint as wide as the original kanapaha?
Who knows? Maybe you are on to something, and they might need to be classified as the same. They might just be the same, but different phenos, but if you have checked them out thoroughly, and have found absolutely no difference, then maybe that might not be the case.

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boonut wrote:Growing conditions, growing conditions, growing conditions... oh yeah, and viagra water.

....snip. .
On the growing conditions, I'm comparing 2 named bamboos growing under the same growing conditions: plenty of Florida Viagra water. :D

I've looked at so many of the characteristic that one would use in ID-ing a bamboo or differentiating between bamboos (culm sheaths, culm sheath blades, auricles, ligules, leaves, bristles or not on the nodes, clump stance, openness or tightness of the clump, branching pattern, and .......more.)

I sometimes think I've found some distinctive characteristic, only to find out the pattern is not consistent. So, if someone knows the distinctive difference, let me know so I can see the difference with my own eyes.

I don't know that these 2 are the same, but if they are going to have 2 different names, then there has to be a distinctive difference. Anyone?

Or put another way. If these 2 bamboos were ID-ed by one name, what characteristic would one point to to say they are different and should have separate names?
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Out of curiosity Roy, what were the similarities that have been shown to you to be inconsistent?
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Bamboo Conne'isseur wrote: Maybe its not shown until it quite old? Roy, have you ever seen the mutabilis's footprint as wide as the original kanapaha?
....snip...
I've seen the B. tex. Kanapaha at Kanapaha Gardens and it is quite impressive. But as you indicated, I believe the clump has been there for quite some time. But if there is something that I can see by looking at that clump that would distinguish it from B. mutabilis, I would welcome someone to tell me.

If I could find just one little thing that is different, and is consistently different , then to me that would mean these 2 are not from the same seed. I haven't been able to find it yet, and am beginning to wonder.......
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Bamboo Conne'isseur wrote:Out of curiosity Roy, what were the differences that have been shown to you to be inconsistent?
When I first saw the 2 growing almost side by side, I looked at the culm sheaths of both and the ligules seemed to be distinctly different. That has not held up in a consistence manner.

Where the first branch node appears on the culm. From pictures, and first hand observations, I suspected that the B. tex. Kanpaha seemed to have lower branching than the B. mutabilis in a good number of cases. That has not held up.

Roughness of the culms (barbed bristles) has not turned out to be consistently different. Same with outer culm sheaths.


Here's the ligule (where the blade attaches to the culm sheath proper) I first thought was distinctively different, but the difference is not consistent.
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boonut wrote:Why don't you send me a little division of each and I will plant them side by side and see how they grow here.
..snip..
I though we had that planned when you come to visit me on the SunCoast? 8)
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Roy wrote:
If I could find just one little thing that is different, and is consistently different , then to me that would mean these 2 are not from the same seed. I haven't been able to find it yet, and am beginning to wonder.......
I wonder who classified these two? Perhaps they could enlighten us as to this question...
The way you describe these two, it seems that not only are they the same, but seem to remain true to type, with little to no variation within the species.
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Mercer Garden in Houston has one B. textilis 'Kanapaha' and one B. mutabilis planted under similar conditions, very close to each other. Last time I was there, the plants looked very similar, but the planting is probably too young to be certain of any differences. Also, I was not specifically looking for differences between them at the time. This planting will be another good example to watch for any possible differences between the two plants.

Since the topic has been raised, are there any differences between B. textilis 'Kanapaha'/B. mutabilis and the common form of B. textilis?
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Bamboo Conne'isseur wrote:
I wonder who classified these two? Perhaps they could enlighten us as to this question...
...snip....
Bamboo Conne'isseur,

I wouldn't swear on a judicial stand, but when I first got my B. mutabilis, I seem to remember there being some connection to the B. mutabilis I was getting and a plant growing in Gainesville. At that time there was no such name as B. tex. Kanapaha (and Kanapaha Gardens was not known for it's wonderful B. textilis it had on the grounds) and what we are now calling B. mutabilis doesn't fit the description in Hong Kong Bamboo book published about 25 years ago.
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So.... are all the bamboo just B. Textilis? When I first read about the Kanapaha, someone mentioned some unique ways they water with spring water or ???

I have never seen it, so I don't have any personal experience. I have also never seen B. Mutabilis.
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