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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:29 am 
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Gotta love how she calls this an infestation when there's a remote grove that appears to be in the back yard of one house, not going into any other property. I guess if she happens to visit my bamboo garden or dozens of other groves around here which grow pretty much in a clump, they are also called infestations.
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Where is the invasive concern? Looks great! What does the other side look like??


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:11 pm 
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http://www.eddmaps.org/report/images/Invasion%20picture%20just%20recd%20from%20Greenlawn,%20NY-%204%20HOMES%20INVADED.jpg


It looks like that ecosystem's already been overrun by invasive grasses. Considering that the photo is taken from someone's backyard and that someone is letting all that grass go to seed and letting all the bamboo grow undisturbed, it looks like intentional ecosystem destruction to me. :shock:



Heres the thing jd.

Grass is a very, VERY new species in terms of evolution. I believe that they really took off just before, or after the last ice age. They are extremely successful, because they have taken over every single corner of the planet, minus the high arctic and Antarctic. The seeds are small, and can get passed along by animals’ feces, wind, clinging to other animals etc. They have already taken hold in succession, in the early "grassland/prairie" stages, and many animals today eat grasses in some shape or form. They are pretty much one of the most successful species on the planet, up there with conifers.

That being said, you give a species, like us, whom depends on grasses for food, and a species who is extremely mobile ,the seed will spread well beyond its natural boarders ( like the thousands of other plants that seem to have co evolved with us). You add the fact that humans have a habit of removing forests; you are making the perfect environment for grasses to spread (grasses successional niche is just after pioneer species inhabit the disturbed soil). The situation is as simple as we are giving these "invasive" species the exact conditions they need to thrive, having well watered lawns, and highly disturbed natural areas.

In reality "invasive" is too broad of a term. Species come and go all the time, without our help. The shocking thing is the pace at which we do this. All species are technically "invasive", because simply, they can be grown in different areas then their natural area; they just need a way to get there. This takes hundreds of thousands, and sometimes millions of years, unless something helps it.

For instance, 12 000 years ago, the ice sheet in Canada made a large pathway in the Rockies, that made it possible for caribou, and all insects associated with them into NA. This means plant seeds in their feces. This brought along humans, and the tiny seeds that were in their cloths and gear, and feces etc. along with them. Were they "invasive"? Depends on the way you see it. They helped recolonize a whole continent that was almost scraped bare due to glaciers. Nature was damaged in this area.

Now you come to an area like North America. Before Europeans, most eastern native tribes took care of the forest. Sure, they weren’t perfect, but there are statements from colonists stating the "groomed" nature of the forests. After conflict, the Europeans burned and cut down most of the forests, to eliminate the native’s habitat, for ship/building material, and for farmland. They brought across diseases, plants, animals, organisms and fungi across the ocean. A healthy ecosystem can usually defend itself against this, but since Europeans slashed and burned so much of it, all these species started to take hold.

In reality it’s simple, and ill reiterates myself. Our well groomed, well watered yards are the perfect opportunity for invasive species to take hold. Add the fact we find many of our favorite plants are pretty aggressive (I like this word better than "invasive”) make it easy for them to take hold and spread. Take into account out broken ecosystems; lack of knowledge on some people’s behalf (people complaining and the people planting) is making it worse. Everything we are doing is making it able for these species to take hold. The thing is, is it bad? I don’t want to see any species go extinct, useful or not, but getting all excited about invasive species, is making us go into forests, disturbing them, and starting the cycle all over again. We are making it worse. We need to disturb less, and less area, and we need to make sure everyone has proper knowledge, so no one has any reason to make a dumb decision (of course someone ALWAYS will). When we do need to disturb natural areas, we need to repair the damage we have don, by discouraging early successional species. This can be done by planting 2 layers of plants after disturbing the soil, shading the ground, discouraging "weeds" and most pest species (which most of the time need lots of light.)

I’m sorry if this seems rantish lol. I just personally see a big hole in how many people think in this situation (not saying anyone here of course, more in the government and some of the public). Of course nothing is in reality "simple", especially when it comes to ecology. I just don’t understand some people’s way of thinking.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:44 pm 
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But in the case of A gigantea the settlers nearly totally eradicated it through the techniques you describe and it did not come back. Now only small pockets remain & despite multiple flowerings the seed distribution of this bamboo has not established new colonies even in areas directly adjacent to undisturbed patches. I would think that one could use this particular bamboo's plight as an example of how they can not suggest that rampant bamboo spread by seed is a reality.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:15 pm 
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But in the case of A gigantea the settlers nearly totally eradicated it through the techniques you describe and it did not come back. Now only small pockets remain & despite multiple flowerings the seed distribution of this bamboo has not established new colonies even in areas directly adjacent to undisturbed patches. I would think that one could use this particular bamboo's plight as an example of how they can not suggest that rampant bamboo spread by seed is a reality.




Excellent point! ...Given the few examples of other species that have flowered in the U.S., there does not seem to be any evidence that shows seeds spread and produced new growth in other areas.
Every example of unintentional spread that I have seen was caused by someone disposing of "viable" rhizomes across the street, in the woods, etc...


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Great point. Again, I think the definition of "invasive" is much too broad. Certain plants can be invasive through different means. Bamboo is a perfect example. IF does not spread largely by seed, but can be invasive vegetively.

And yeah. OF course humans are a pretty good competitor ourselves :D. I still dont get how some people say native plants are "invasive". We have all seen this im sure. Personally if I seen A Gigantea pop up in my yard (yeah I know it wont happen), I would be happier then a panda.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:50 am 
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James H. Miller was asked to add his professional opinion on Connecticut's bamboo legislation and right within the 1st paragraph he identifies Ms. Rickels 'invasive bamboo' has P. Aurea, when we all know P aurea cannot survive in Connecticut. What troubles me is how can you trust a expert when they miss identify the species from the get go.

This is the James H. Miller speaking of his qualifications:

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Please permit me to give some information about me and my career with invasive plant research
and management. After 33 years, I retired on January 1, 2011, as a Research Ecologist with the
U.S. Forest Service, Southern Research Station, and an Affiliate Professor of Forestry with
Auburn University’s School of Forestry and Wildlife Sciences, on the Auburn University
Campus. I will continue my research and outreach missions as an emeritus scientist being a U.S.
Forest Service volunteer. Until my successor is named I still have Southern Regional
responsibility for invasive plant research and development within Forest Service Research.


The entire Pdf: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/ENVdata/Tmy/2012HB-05122-R000222-Ecological%20Science%20Society---James%20Miller-TMY.PDF

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The next council meeting is scheduled for March 13, 2-4 pm, in room G8-A at the Department of Agriculture, 165 Capitol Ave., Hartford

Is anybody from ABS attending?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:40 pm 
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Alan_L wrote:
The next council meeting is scheduled for March 13, 2-4 pm, in room G8-A at the Department of Agriculture, 165 Capitol Ave., Hartford

Is anybody from ABS attending?


Alan, where did you find this information?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:24 am 
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From this article:

http://bethwood.patch.com/articles/take ... hat-bamboo

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:38 pm 
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Guess who's spamming all over that article again?

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That's what I call dedication! Or insanity. :mrgreen:


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That's what I call dedication! Or insanity. :mrgreen:


Dedicated to insanity. She has an agenda and facts are not going to get in her way. Watching her is like watching a train wreck happening.

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http://huntington.patch.com/articles/ba ... nt_2762824

Just having a little bit more fun :lol:

If I keep on putting up the article about her trying to sue her neighbors, she will probably keep try to flag them to try and protect her self proclaimed title, but I can keep on putting it up so she can't do ****.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:20 pm 
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I just provided my comment also. A State with without bamboo is a sad State.
If my state bans bamboo, I would get the heck out of there because clearly, the law makers are not very bright if they do make such dumb decisions based on the opinions of a few individuals who knows nothing but cry wolf. Wah...long sentence!


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I left an innocuous pro bamboo comment on the huntionton (dog)patch the other day and it was deleted. I tried again this morning. most of the other comments from this forum's members were deleted as well.


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